It’s been quite the week for Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis. While she and her special prosecutor “friend” insist that they were not in a relationship before he was hired, phone records recently submitted by former president Donald Trump suggest otherwise. Glenn and Stu discuss what the records found, why Fani Willis, as an attorney, cannot discredit them, and if she has any way to argue herself out of a perjury charge.
TranscriptBelow is a rush transcript that may contain errors
GLENN: Sorry. I was analyzing my voice there, when I got a little lost. Because my voice was gone over the weekend.
I have -- I mean, I swear to you. There's no reason for me to do this job.
I don't know why I have this job, I don't.
I have vocal cords that go at the drop of a hat. And so --
STU: There any health problems that you have yet to acquire?
GLENN: I don't have ALS. That I know of. That I know of. I don't have ALS.
STU: That's good. There you go.
GLENN: All right. And I really need my voice today. Because Fani Willis.
STU: Oh. Fanny.
GLENN: Now, in case you don't remember, Fani Willis is the prosecutor. She is the DA that is making this case, about Donald Trump, you know, trying to steal the election. Yada, yada.
Well, there's a little problem there. Because somebody found out, that she was paying one of the expert witnesses and investigators, an awful lot of money.
He was making like -- I think almost twice as much, right?
STU: As some of the other experts.
GLENN: Yes. Some of the other people. So people started looking into that.
And then the rumor came into this investigator. That they were having an affair. And they were going on lavish trips together. And so they wondered, wow.
Hmm. I mean, is something going on here, that, you know, might lack some professionalism.
Yes. And then, it -- there became this little squabble of, when did you hire him?
Did you hire him before, or after this case.
What -- what -- what is that?
There was also a divorce going on.
And he was getting a divorce. This prosecutor.
He was getting a divorce. And it came up in the divorce trial, that those two were having an affair.
And he said, no. I've never had an affair in my marriage. Okay.
Well, that wasn't true. But he got on the stand and said, well, it depends on -- I'm not kidding.
I'm not making this up. Depends on how you define marriage. In my head, we were divorced for a long time.
Okay. Not usually the way we do that. But okay.
Redefine some more things about marriage. So the problem is, they swore under oath, several times.
That they didn't have a relationship. At all prior to 20 --
STU: Well, again, this was a big part of the testimony.
GLENN: Yeah. I know.
STU: Do you mean romantic relationship. Or relationship as if they met each other.
GLENN: Look it up. Do we have any porn music? That kind of a relationship. You know what I mean? Okay. This kind.
(music)
STU: Yeah. I could see how --
GLENN: Ding-dong, pizza delivery, all right?
STU: All right. So they had a -- they admitted to the relationship after he was hired. I believe he was hired in November of 2021. So they -- I think said the relationship started in early 2022.
GLENN: Right. After he was hired.
STU: Yeah. After he was hired.
And so the -- of course, they went to work to say, wait a minute. It seems like it started way where that. Including a testimony from someone. One of her best friends at the time.
GLENN: Right. And then somebody else that said, attorney-client privilege. That's like Fifth. We know what you're saying. Sit down.
STU: One of his attorneys was asked about this. And obviously they wouldn't have asked him about this, if they didn't know what the answer was. But he couldn't -- he was able to get out of it, with attorney/client privilege.
However, the other witness said they had been together since at least 2019. Now, of course, this is important. Because the accusation here is that she's trying to extend this, and do as much as they can. To get as much money in this guy's pocket as possible. In other words, her goal is not justice here.
Her goal is to enrich this guy, who in turn was enriching her. Right?
Now, if their answer was immediately, look, the guy is the best in the business.
Yeah, we had an affair. It had nothing to do with this.
We've been dating since 2019, but it doesn't matter. Because, you know, I knew he did great work. That's why I brought him on this case. It had nothing to do with this case. They probably skate scot-free on this. But because of his divorce. They don't go down on that road. They decide instead, to deny everything. And that leads to some problems.
GLENN: Some little problems. So it was really, he said/she said stuff. And you didn't have any evidence except it seemed pretty obvious.
Nobody in their right mind, could buy their excuses. But if you want to have no shadow of a doubt. You don't really have any evidence. Right?
STU: Remember their excuses too. That they went on multiple, expensive trips. That he paid for on his business credit card. Okay?
His business credit card. He paid for those trips. Then they're -- their story is, after they returned, she took some amount, thousands and thousands of dollars.
Each time, out of her glob of cash, she keeps at her house. That there are no records of. And she takes the thousands of dollars. And gives it to him, to pay back for her part of the travel. Remember, they're dating at this point.
For her part of the travel, and then he takes it, and then never deposits it into his bank account.
He just -- I guess what keeps it in his glove box and pays for gas, every time, in cash.
GLENN: Well, I mean, it's his business credit card.
He went into the business and said, here, I owe you this, and just gave them lots of cash.
STU: Well, of course there would be a record of that. So that's not what happened.
GLENN: Well, unless the accountant at the business, doesn't -- we don't count cash coming in. We just put it in. No. This drawer, right here.
STU: Oh, yeah.
Well, again, if you had -- if he paid in cash for the trips. This might be kind of believable.
Even though, it's never happened before.
GLENN: No. No.
STU: This interaction between two people, in a romantic relationship, has never occurred.
GLENN: Okay. So now, apparently, there's something called phone records.
STU: What?
GLENN: Yes.
STU: What does that mean?
GLENN: Well, it means they can track your location by triangulating your location.
Now, this is -- it's kind of interesting.
That the phone records show, they had a lot of late-night phone calls.
Well, that kind of came in. And ding-dong.
Pizza.
You know, he was playing the pizza deliver guy.
STU: He was. Look, sometimes, pizzas do get delivered late at night.
And other times, people look under the box.
GLENN: So they -- hmm.
So over 2,000 voice calls.
And just under 12,000 interactions were changed.
STU: Wait. It's 12,000 text messages.
GLENN: Yeah. 12,000.
STU: 2,000 voice calls. Can you think of anything more annoying than receiving 2,000 voice calls, from anyone.
Let alone Fani Willis.
Thank God.
GLENN: I wonder if Tania and I -- hazard pay. I wonder if Tania and I have had 2,000 calls back to each other and 12,000 text messages.
There's no way.
STU: What was the period, again?
It's a year.
GLENN: It was January to November. Not a year. Ten months.
STU: Okay. I talk to my wife, on the phone, I'm trying to think.
Let's go crazy and say twice a day. I mean, I live with her. Right?
So I see her at home in the morning. And I see her at night.
And during the day, there's a couple of times she might call or a text.
I could probably count up a month of our text.
To see how much was exchanged.
But there's no way it's a thousand.
GLENN: So I don't carry a phone.
But I have an i Pad that I text. And Tania probably texts me two or three times a day. Maximum. Maximum.
STU: Right. That sounds about right.
I mean, again, I don't know. Interactions, it's a little bit -- it's a little bit -- honestly, the text messages. Some people text a lot. Some people write small text messages.
And some people give you the emoji reactions to them. I don't know what counts in there. So 12,000, maybe that's understandable.
Two thousand voice calls in ten months! I know -- I bet I have not made 2,000 phone calls in ten months, if you combined every call I've made.
GLENN: Now. Even if -- even if the 12,000 text messages, were just doing the salsa dancer emoji.
STU: Is there a salsa dancer emoji?
GLENN: Yeah. You've never seen that?
STU: I've never seen an emoji.
GLENN: Yeah. So there's the salsa dancer, and I don't know what the salsa dancer is supposed to represent. I have no idea.
So maybe that's the code. Salsa dancer. You know what I mean? It's like, hey. Let's hook up. Salsa dancer.
STU: Right. They have their own language.
GLENN: If there's 12,000 salsa dancers, we know something is going on. Because, I mean, what does that mean? That's code --
STU: Would you be surprised if we saw a lot of eggplants and peaches?
GLENN: I don't. I don't know what those mean.
STU: 8,000 of the 12,000 were eggplants or peaches.
Why -- I guarantee you, they would be like, look, have you ever had this -- this authentic native dish, that has both peaches and eggplants.
We kept making it. That's all.
They will go to any length to lie about this, at this point.
GLENN: Oh, they are done.
So here's what she said. So you know, they have him, how many times?
Forty-five times. Thirty-five occasion.
STU: Yes. And that was a conservative estimate.
Thirty-five was a conservative estimate about how many times he was there.
GLENN: So they have things like this.
September 11th, through the 12th.
Deeper analysis. We don't need to say that.
Described the attached affidavit from the cell phone tracking.
He left the Dural (phonetic) area, approximately 10:15 p.m.
Traveling directly to and arriving within the geofence located on the Dogwood address, to approximately 10:45.
He left the dogwood address approximately 3:28 a.m. What happens between 10:45 and 3:28 a.m.
I mean, I just...
STU: Uh-huh.
GLENN: Then he leaves there, and he texts Fani at 4:20. Okay.
STU: For the purposes of this, please refer to her as Fani.
GLENN: I'm having a hard time with your peach's remark.
Following a call from Fani Willis at 11:32 p.m. which continues for 40 minutes, leaving the towers located near his residence at East Cobb, at approximately 12:05 a.m.
Ongoing call at 12:38.
STU: He leaves his house to drive to her house, and is on the phone with her the whole way. Right?
Okay. Then he goes -- just, think about this. Then he goes to this area, which includes her home. A very small area between cell phone towers.
Ask. How long does he stay there until? To ever
GLENN: Until 4:45 a.m.
STU: 4:45 a.m.?
Is it really 4:45. I didn't realize it was that long, but he never spent the night, as they both testified. He never spent the night. How would you justify this?
GLENN: You know what makes sense now? Why did the prosecution, when they were talking to him and her. Why did they say, was he ever at where you laid your head?
STU: She used that terminology first in the testimony.
They were trying to say, what about -- she said, I don't even know.
I just kept the cash, wherever I laid my head. Of course, that's always what you do. Let's say you go to a motel. You bring your $50,000 with you. It stays with you, wherever you go.
I know a lot of people operate this way, that are in the mob. Other than that, I don't know. Of anyone who does.
GLENN: So here's what she said, since Friday, since the story broke.
Quote, the records do nothing more than demonstrate, that a special prosecutor, wade's telephone was located somewhere.
STU: Not him. His phone. His phone could have been -- what if it has wings. It was flying around at night. We have no idea.
GLENN: He is. He is a guy, he loves to share.
STU: He's a big sharer.
GLENN: I won't use my phone between 10 o'clock at night. And let's say 4:55 in the morning.
STU: I have unlimited minutes. No one is using them. Why don't you use my phone?
GLENN: Use them. So records do nothing more than demonstrated Special Prosecutor Wade's telephone was located somewhere, within a densely populated, multiple mile radius, where various residents, restaurants, bars, nightclubs, and other businesses are located.
STU: How many of those are located at 4:20 a.m.
GLENN: Well, I would also like to say, how many cases have you tried, on cell phone location?
Because --
STU: This is so bad.
GLENN: What she is -- what she is now arguing against is what's called cell hawk.
And law enforcement and attorneys say, this is the system to triangulate phones.
So everybody who is like Googled in.
How do I get rid of 120-pound sack of meat. And bones.
And then, you know, the girlfriend is missing.
They always are like, yeah. But we have you.
Going to the Home Depot.
Back to your house.
Then to the grave site.
I'm sorry. To that park you were visiting.
You know what I mean?
This is the same thing. So if she discredits this.
How many cases. I mean, because if I were a defense attorney.
And my client had gone to Yale. With this as the linchpin.
Examine she discredits.
I would be like, even the district doctor attorney says, this isn't good. It's really bad.
STU: Do you think she's the type of person who would risk multiple murder investigations of -- just to protect herself, Glenn.
GLENN: Yes. Yes, I do.
So does he.